Because Sometimes More is More
Part three of three.
Ok, I’m just going to rip this apart step by step. First and foremost, I. Am. Not. A. Man. I am not a penis owner. For fuck’s sake anon, I say this all the fucking time, and I have a goddamn YouTube channel where I’m clearly speaking and clearly not a man. Fucking christ almighty.
Next. You’re essentially telling me that because you live in a humid state and apparently just sweat all the time, cutting off a perfectly natural part of an infant’s body is ok. Let me repeat; BECAUSE ANON SWEATS A LOT, CIRCUMCISION IS OK GUISE! Are you fucking smoking crack?
Next. You say you can’t imagine all your sweat and still having a foreskin. I don’t know if you have ever seen an uncut dick, but it is literally just an extra fold of skin. It’s not like foreskin is a whole second dick, for christ’s sake. Pull that shit back and wash it. Bam, 30 seconds of extra washing. But either you’re lazy or stupid, because it seriously is not that big of a deal.
Next. You say most people wouldn’t choose to be circumcised after 18 because they’ve “learned to deal with the issues that come along with being uncut”…what issues? Increased sexual response and feeling? I never thought that was an issue, but whatever.
Next. You see no reason why anyone would have an issue with their parents for making the decision to have them circumcised. Welp, along with what I mentioned above, about intact men retaining all the nerve endings they were born with, which makes sex more pleasurable, (You feel a fraction of what you should be able to during sex, just FYI), there are also men who have scarring on their penis, there are men who are incapable of achieving orgasm at all, and there is what…I want to say like 700 babies a year who die from complications arising from circumcision (ANTI CIRC PEOPLE! FIND ME THE REAL NUMBER PLEASE I’M ON MY PHONE RIGHT NOW). Do a google search for “foreskin restoration” and see how many millions of men would rather have their foreskin intact. Look outside your limited worldview and fucking use your brain for half a fucking second and realize that HACKING APART A BABY’S GENITALIA IS FUCKING WRONG. YES IT HAPPENED TO YOU. BUT YES, IT WAS FUCKING WRONG.
Next. The only argument you’ve seen is that it doesn’t come with the child’s consent. Well, here’s a few more. Again, with the decreased sexual response. Also, it’s an old religious ritual, so unless you’re Jewish, I almost kind of feel like the SJWs should jump on this one for cultural appropriation (I jest, I do, but jesus, how fast would this shit become illegal if the feminazis and SJWs got their grubby little hands on it? The mind simply boggles). It has no proven health benefits, and the risks of complications far outweigh any sort of negligible “benefits”. Circumcision is completely legal, and men will even fight in favor of it, but female circ is illegal and considered immoral. Why do you think that is?
But really, lastly, and most importantly, my issue with circumcision is not about consent. My issue is that this is an unnecessary surgery that is fucking up how your penis functions. The foreskin is a little penis glove that keeps your dick from chafing, or rubbing when you don’t want it rubbed, and protects it from temperature fluctuations outside. It is a natural part of your body, and it is so so very important. And none of that is about consent (although I wholeheartedly believe in everyone’s right to bodily autonomy, no matter how old they are.
So, in conclusion, you’re kind of an idiot and I feel bad for you.
It’s around 100/year in the US alone, so 700 worldwide would seem a bit low. I don’t have a source readily available, but it’s probably not a difficult thing to find.
I don’t think anybody has a good idea of how many babies die from circumcision. There was a statistical meta-analysis that came up with something like 300, but I don’t know how reliable it is.
Okay seriously if your argument on why “Men’s Rights” are important involves circumcision you really need to just sit down and shut up.
First off this is something feminists are most typically against because it violates bodily autonomy. Okay do you get it yet? Most of us are against it in infants and say a man should be able to decide that for himself. So quit acting like we don’t care about it.
Second and this is important, the instant you even try to compare it to female genital mutilation you prove that you have no right to ever speak about issues ever again, you literally know nothing. You are so completely removed from reality I can’t even describe it.
This is not complicated, really, it’s not.
Male circumcision =/= female genital mutilation.
The only people I see comparing the two are feminists. It’s like the moment people took a stance against Male Genital Mutilation, and it is mutilation to removed perfectly healthy tissue from a patient when there is no reason to, feminists decided they needed to shut up because women in the third world have it worse.
You need to think of the issue separately from FGM, not alongside it. Because it has no bearing on MGM except in the context that ALL Infant Genital Mutilation is wrong.
I suggest you take a better look at MGM before being so dismissive of the concerns raised by others. It’s barbarically painful to the point people studying it decided to STOP because it was unethical to continue because it was causing seizures, and choking. More resources.
The reason FGM gets bought up for comparison is because usually the speakers are American or western, and the treatment of the two subjects could not be more drastically different within those countries, with FGM completely outlawed and MGM legal and widespread. I might note that the only reason why MGM is so rarely fatal is because we happen to live in a country with a modern medical system. If FGM was legal in America or Europe, I have no doubt that it could be widely performed with far fewer casualties and much less trauma than it is in countries without the privilege of well-trained and well-equipped healthcare. I also find it hilarious that you’re saying that female anatomy gets so little focus in school when plenty of circumcised boys won’t even be aware they lost something for the entirety of high school because most diagrams of human anatomy they see will assume that all penises are cut and won’t show the foreskin. At least that’s how it was for me growing up, don’t know if that’s changed.
And actually, you’ll find that a lot of those anatomical functions of the various parts of the female anatomy ARE disputed. By people who advocate female genital mutilation. Sort of like how the sensitivity and function of the foreskin is conveniently disputed by people who practice male genital mutilation. It’s sort of like even smart people will try to rationalize mutilation if it’s a part of their culture and beliefs. You’ll find that these people also often advocate dubious medical benefits for female genital mutilation, sort of like, wow, male genital mutilation.
As for controlling sexuality, did you know circumcision became widespread in America thanks to a man who advocated for it as a way to stop boys from masturbating?
And here’s where I stop being polite. Because no, fuck you, you’re full of shit: I’m calling you out, feminists do NOT oppose male circumcision. Oh, maybe you do, in theory. But I never see you denouncing it as mutilation. Rather, the only time I see feminists talking about male genital mutilation is when they insist it can’t be compared to female genital mutilation in any way shape or form so we should all shut up about it! And, like you did here, they usually toss in some bullshit (straight from the mouths of its supporters) about it’s supposed “health benefits”. So let’s get this straight, feminists oppose male genital mutilation, but they only ever talk about it to:
1. Tell people who advocate against it to shut up
2. Spout pro-mutilation propaganda as reasons why it’s “Not as bad as female genital mutilation”
So how about you fuck right off? I’d much rather feminists just be OPENLY pro-mutilation than this half-assed, mealy-mouthed bullshit of “Oh, we oppose male genital mutilation, but we’ll gladly spread pro-mutilation propaganda and only ever talk about it to stop the issue from being discussed.” You are an ideological ally against genital mutilation in the same way a termite is “someone working on the house.” You are worse, worse, than someone who is openly pro-mutilation because you’re pretending to help. You’re fucked up, and no one is going to take criticism from you about the subject as anything but a joke. Fuck outta here.
Whether or not feminists tend to oppose MGM or not, this has no bearing on whether or not it’s a men’s rights issue — which it is.
Maybe if you weren’t so fucking obsessed with your penises, people wouldn’t cut them.
are you serious though
is eliot even capable of logical thoughts jesus christ.
What isn’t logical about this, you massive faggot?
well maybe there’s the fact that most circumcisions are done on infants
and im pretty sure infants dont have the fucking brain capacity to be obsessed with their penis yet
i dunno, just a hunch
"…You massive faggot"
Oh, we have a winner here folks.
Stay classy shit-stain.
Yeah, I said it. Both gay and straight men can go die please :>
Infobox: Anti-MRA, anti-porn, anti-sex ed, sex negative, genophobic, somewhat misandrist, androgyne, exists entirely off sugar, blah blah blah.
Guys, be careful! You don’t want to cut yourself on all those edges!
… Not that being “obsessed” with one’s genitals justifies someone else cutting them.
Last night I saw a guy wearing a rowing t-shirt with “C.I.R.C.” printed on the back. No doubt the acronym stands for some sort of “rowing center” or “competition”.
I shit you not.
* 2002 W.K. Nahm extends the storage life of specialized cell cultures derived from "freshly harvested neonatal foreskin tissue." (Note: Since the 1980s, some amputated infant foreskins have been sold without the knowledge of the parents to biomedical companies for research and even use in commercial cosmetic products such as anti-wrinkle creams.) [Sustained ability for fibroblast outgrowth from stored neonatal foreskin. Journal of Dermatology Science. 2002 Feb;28(2):152-8]
Mother of God. Apparently that whole “Bodily Autonomy” thing really only matters when it doesn’t get in the way of some fucking woman profiting by carving up a little boys dick. I thought Feminism was bad before, but this is just fucking disgusting. Now we know why Feminists make sure we never EVER equate Female Genital Mutilation with Male Genital Mutilation.
Might shore up their access to cheap facial cream. Fucking monsters.
While some feminists get defensive in response to anti-circumcision advocacy, a large portion of feminists are against circumcision. I would say it’s one men’s issue that are the most on-board about.
What you are bringing up is obviously egregious, but it’s big pharma and not feminists who are to blame.